data downloading.

[tazdevil1962]

hi guys, i currently have a file that i started downloading 10 hours ago, the file is 1.2 gig. I also have 4 other downloaded files that are being uploaded. my question relates to my downloading one, i dont have any other programs running so the only downloading is from bitcomet, my download speed on the top of page stays around 15 - 25 KB/s but the file is only downloading at 2-5 KB/s, it has currently only downloaded 21%. But my total download according to my isp over the last 10 hours has been 862mb. where else is this downloading data going? i definately have no ther programs downloading that i can see. thanks.

[kluelos]

First, you're probably trying to do too much for your connection. Your main limitation is your upload speed, not your download speed. With 4 uploads also running, you're probably choking, and without doing any good because none of them are getting a big enough chunk of bandwidth to do any effective transfers.

Bittorrent speeds are extremely variable. They depend on the composition of the swarm at the moment, and it can change very rapidly as people drop out or join. It also depends very much on what else is going on with other transfers. For example, those four uploads. Since nobody is getting decent speed from you, the entire swarm gradually decides you're choked, so they give up trying to connect to you for a while. Since nobody's connecting on the upload side, your download becomes temporarily unstrangled for a while. Time passes, other people join the uploading swarms and existing peers decide to try you again. Your upload connection gets overloaded again, so download speed goes downhill again. Rinse, repeat.

[The UnUsual Suspect]

In other words, run one at a time, or two at the most. Otherwise your not helping people get good download speeds by being connected then hardly sending any data.

I downloaded a torrent today (Ubunto linux) and got speeds of 865kB/s. (new record for me)

I can assure you that the peers I was connected to were not running multiple tasks.

Suspect

[tazdevil1962]

ok, i get what you mean, i thought the idea was to keep my downloaded files open so others could upload from me. i now only have one file that im downloading and have stopped all others. however that dosent answer my othe query, my file at the moment is downloading at 4KB/s and uploading at 8KB/s, but bitcomet says im downloading at 18 KB/s and uploading at 13 KB/s andi have downloaded over 1.3 gig since starting to download this file but i have only got 620 mb of it. hope this makes sense. where is the other d/l going?

[The UnUsual Suspect]

Hi, I'm sorry for not addressing your other issue, I just felt I should comment on the multiple torrent thing.

I still recommend you keep the other tasks in your client at least till you reach ratio above 1.0, that way you can start seeding when your not downloading.

Regarding your bit comet, I'm not sure what version you are using, but we have had simular reports from current (less then stable) versions. If yours is newer then .70, then you might want to go back to this version.

If you are using a stable version, then let us know which version.

Suspect

[tazdevil1962]

am using version .70

[The UnUsual Suspect]

Although it is normal to download more then the total of your files (some data might be duplicated or failed hash check and redownloaded), this seems a bit extreme.

Do you see a large amount of rubbish date being reported?

Sometimes connection issues can make data damaged and fail hash check, which means its deleted and redownloaded. This would explain why you are seeing far more downloaded then you would expect.

There are also anti p2p groups that attempt to poisen torrent traffic with useless data. Installing peer guardian and help with that issue, but if it is connection related, you would need your isp to test your lines. This is very easy for them to do, and only requires a phone call.

Tell them your getting alot of bad data in your downloads, and have them check.

Suspect

[tazdevil1962]

rubbish data dumped is 22.5 mb. total downloaded so far is 602mb of 1.2 gig. at average speed of 7 kb.

[bitdave]

Those numbers seem fairly normal. The amount of rubbish data your getting isnt really that bad.

The other day someone made a post where they had >20GB of rubbish data :o (now that's bad)

I downloaded a torrent today (Ubunto linux) and got speeds of 865kB/s. (new record for me)

Nice!!! Im soo jealous. ;)

I also recently downloaded that same torrent(Ubuntu 6.10) and maxed out my connection at 165KB/s

[tazdevil1962]

its not the rubbish dump that i am concerned about, i assumed that was good. it was the act that my download speed according to bitcomet is around 15-20 KB/s but the only file im downloading says its only at 2-5 KB/s. i left the file downloading all night last night and it downloaded 4% of the 1.2 gig, now thats about 50mb, correct?. but my total isp download was 656 mb, when i shut down bitcomet my isp download stops, so im asume that all the downloads are to do with BC. apart from the slow download rate i want to know why its downloading so much. thanks.

[bitdave]

Thats a whole lot of overhead.

Have you gone through our Settings Guide

be conservative when setting the caps and the number of connections Bitcomet makes

the max connections per task should be around 40-50

also try disabling the DHT Network and then restart Bitcomet

Do you still get the speed discrepancies and the extra bandwidth?

[tazdevil1962]

sorry if im not the sharpest tool in the box, but i have been through the settings guide a few times, i realise that there are so many things that can effect d/l rates but i would really like to get it better. is there anyone here that has the patience to run through the settings with me one at a time, if this is too long a process then i will understand.

[kluelos]

Still not sure I have this completely straight, but I do get that something is saying you downloaded 656 (MB?b?) while BitComet reports that it downloaded 50 MB.

So the first question is, what's reporting the 656?

The second question is, what units is that reporting? Bytes or bits? If bits, then it would make a lot more sense: BC is reporting what it successfully downloaded, that is, not counting overhead and rubbish. That would be 50 MB, which is 400Mb. Add overhead and trash, and 600 Mb is not nearly so unreasonable, if still pretty noisy/trashed.

Now if the whatever is indeed reporting bytes, you've got something doing an awful lot of transferring, and it's probably not BitComet, so it's time for you to scan for viruses, trojans, worms, and other fun.

[tazdevil1962]

ok, will try to explain more clearly, last night i turned everything off and re-booted pc, connected to net and ran a adsl speed test file, got a download speed of 53.2 KB/s, now thats about 425kbps, correct?, im on a 512 connection so thats ok, i then watched download data for ten minutes and no data was being transfered, well a few bytes but nothing worth worrying about. i then connected to bit comet, i have one download only, all other files were stopped. the file download speed was between 2-5 KB/s, upload between 8-15 KB/s. but on top of bitcomet page it said download was between 15-25 KB/s, this morning when i checked i had downloaded a total of 656 mb, yet the file im downloading had only gone from 49% to 53% on a 1.2 gig file, now by my calculations thats about 50 mb. hope this explains it a little clearer.

[tazdevil1962]

p.s. i have very good virus software, when i try and download an exe. file apart from the initial warning it often stops the download when it detects a trojan/worm or virus and reports to me, i ALWAYS delete this file immediately. apart from the downloading problems my pc is running perfectly, its a new amd x2 4600.

[The UnUsual Suspect]

I'm going to leave this matter in the very capable hands of our tech support team.

I will however comment on your statement regarding your virus protection.

Since you are downloading alot of torrents, you may get some false positives regarding viruses and PuPs. Many keygens are identified as "PuP"s (potentially unwanted programs) because they are considered "hack" tools. Some antiviruses will delete them, when they are harmless.

Also, some antivirus delete harmless files thinking they are viruses, when they are good tools. One example is a program called WGA_kill.exe.

This is identified as a Virus by my antivirus, but when I visit my antiviruses web site to find out about it, it clearly state that the ONLY thing this does is disable windows product activation, which is exactly what it claims to do. A hack tool yes, a virus NO.

Also, if you come across a brand new virus, your A/V may not catch it, this is why it is importand to do regular scans, and keep updated.

Suspect

[tazdevil1962]

thanks for your past help suspect, my a/v updates daily, just checked and it is up to date, i also have WGA_kill.exe, my a/v allowed me to download it, however the first two or so files i tried were infected and detected by my a/v, i stopped the d/l`s and deleted them, then ran a virus check, all was ok.

[tazdevil1962]

im now at the stage where i assume im beyond help. im still encountering the same high amount of downloading for little result, ie. my downloading from bit comet is 2-3 times what the actual files says it is. surely im not the only one that has this problem, dont think im unique anyway. please tech guys help me here, i dont want to use all my alloted allowance for bitcomet. im going to make notes of all the files in my bitcomet folder and see if i can trace where the extra d/l is going. but in the mean time any ideas?

[tazdevil1962]

im going backwards now, at least when i started on bitcomet it didnt effect my overall download speed much, now however when i have bitcomet running it almost stops my other downloading, just ran speed test, which is reliable, without bitcomet running i get around 430kbps or 53KB/s, when im running bitcomet ( which is only downloading at about 5KB/s ) my test dropped to a very poor 32kbps or 3 KB/s. starting to feel like giving it all up.

[tazdevil1962]

im adding a screen shot of bitcomet, maybe that will help explsin my download problems.

[tazdevil1962]

im adding a screen shot of bitcomet, maybe that will help explsin my download problems.

[The UnUsual Suspect]

Hi again,

If I understand correctly, you were able to confirm with other applications that the top figures are correct (regarding the actual up/download rates).

If so, can you provide a screenshot of that readout?

In the meantime, I will ask our tech support team to have another look at this post.

Suspect

ps. There is a much easier (and better) way to make a screenshot.

1. hold down "cont" button and press "print screen" key.

2. open "paint"

3. click "edit", then "paste". you will now see the screenshot image.

4. select "save as" and change type to .jpg (uses higher compression), then upload to a photo hosting site such as Imageshack.us or Photobucket.

This way we can see details much clearer.

[kluelos]

This is starting to look strange. That's a really poor download speed, much less than it probably ought to be, apart from other issues.

I'd suggest you start with a reinstall, just as a precaution. Next, in the VIEW menu, uncheck "favorites". Doing this will make the whole left--hand pane go away, and your tasks view will always show all running tasks. This is good because there'll be no doubt that you're seeing everything currently running.

Re-hash your settings with some care, by going over the settings guide. It's been worked out with quite a lot if discussion by several people, with bitdave carrying most of the load, so it is pretty definitive. You need to look at all of it, but pay particular attention to the maximum global upload speed, recording your test numbers; and to the listen-port section.

As Suspect says, you can do a full screen-shot without needing an external camera. The "Print Screen" button on your keyboard creates a picture of the current application, and places it on the clipboard. Now you can use any image processing program, but MS Paint comes with Windows so you'll definitely have that. Open it, or your other graphics program of choice, and from its EDIT menu, paste the clipboard contents into a new picture (most of them including Paint open with a new, blank picture). If it wants to resize the picture first, tell it "Yes". Now you can save that picture somewhere on your hard disk, and you've got a screenshot that you can post. You may need to try that a couple of times to work out the procedure. You might prefer to save the picture as a jpeg, but if not, the default bmp is fine.

[bitdave]

i dont want to use all my alloted allowance for bitcomet.

If your ISP has a limit on how much data you can download/upload then you definintely want to disable the DHT Network and have Bitcomet make as few connections as necessary. This will help reduce the amount of overhead which will mean you can download more actual data.

From your screenshot it appears that the DHT Network is still enabled.

It also appears that your connecting to 60+ peers.

Go into Bitcomets settings and uncheck the dht network

while you're there change the max connections per task to 40

and the global max upload slots to 5

also make sure you've capped your uploads properly (the settings guide explains how to do this)

when you uncheck the dht network you must restart Bitcomet for it to take effect

[tazdevil1962]

ok guys, you recommended i do a re-install, i assume you mean bitcomet. does that mean i will lose the current download?. tonight i rebooted pc, connected to my isp, did a speed test and got 425.89 kbps or 53.24KB/s. i then connected to bitcomet, took a screen shot, then took three more screen shots showing downloaad speeds in bitcomet and overall up and download speeds. the final screen shot shows previous data plus results of speed test done while bitcomet was running. hope this may help resolve issue.

regards Taz